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]]> By: Wolfie Rankin /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/comment-page-1/#comment-135333 Wolfie Rankin Thu, 08 May 2008 05:51:34 +0000 /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/#comment-135333 He's one of our more dedicated admins on ABC Island.<br><br>He's a Fox, most of the time.<br><br>Wolfie! He’s one of our more dedicated admins on ABC Island.

He’s a Fox, most of the time.

Wolfie!

]]> By: Trevor Crow /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/comment-page-1/#comment-135332 Trevor Crow Wed, 07 May 2008 18:07:53 +0000 /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/#comment-135332 What is Vermus? What is Vermus?

]]> By: Trevor Crow /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/comment-page-1/#comment-89081 Trevor Crow Wed, 07 May 2008 17:07:53 +0000 /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/#comment-89081 What is Vermus? What is Vermus?

]]> By: Wolfie Rankin /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/comment-page-1/#comment-135331 Wolfie Rankin Mon, 05 May 2008 09:41:15 +0000 /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/#comment-135331 I think for the most part you have it right, the mentality is certainly that of typical school bullies. as a protest though, it doesn't work as quite often there's no word from anyone who does the griefing, and the thing gets shut off quickly anyway, especially if you have your own private Vermus. ;)<br><br>I wonder if griefers are giving up? maybe they see there's no point, there isn't.<br><br>A forum is a better place to raise issues, if there's a problem.<br><br>Wolfie! I think for the most part you have it right, the mentality is certainly that of typical school bullies. as a protest though, it doesn’t work as quite often there’s no word from anyone who does the griefing, and the thing gets shut off quickly anyway, especially if you have your own private Vermus. ;)

I wonder if griefers are giving up? maybe they see there’s no point, there isn’t.

A forum is a better place to raise issues, if there’s a problem.

Wolfie!

]]> By: Trevor Crow /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/comment-page-1/#comment-135330 Trevor Crow Fri, 02 May 2008 22:43:02 +0000 /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/#comment-135330 Griefing may have its place the same as demonstrations and such in RL; however, some people take it to extremes. That being said, I am a furry, I’ve been all over second life (or about as much as I could in the month or so that I’ve been on) and have not encountered very many griefers. The only griefer I have ever had dealings with wasn’t even griefing anyone – we were in a weapons aloud sandbox and he politely asked me if he could test a weapon which he designed primarily to cause a severe amount of lag. I don’t see it as a problem because I’ve almost never seen or heard of griefing on a large scale. Now I am not denying that it happens, but I am not here bunching a few sporadic instances of pissed off furrs and hate mongers with true griefers.<br>As for those insecure people and the hate mongers, to be honest with you, how many of them are still in school? They little more than high school bullies using middle school tactics. In other words, “F* ’em, who cares?” The religious haters are, by definition, hypocrites. As a Christian, yes I have been taught that homosexuality is wrong, but you must remember that “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” This means that, gay or straight, everyone is on a level playing field and the holy-roller “better than thou” preacher wannabe should take a good ling look at himself. I cain’t speek for all religions, but the Christian way of dealing with this sort of thing does not involve the hate speech and actions that are attributed to Christianity. It is one of love and tolerance, a lead by example philosophy, Jesus himself never condemned anyone. This you can plainly see in Matthew where he saved a prostitute from stoning, the accepted law of the day, after driving off the priests he looked up at her and asked “woman, where are your accusers? Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more.” Did he preach hellfire and brimstone? No, did he target her because she was a little loos with her sexual practices? No. anyone who professes to be a Christian should follow His example, not one of hate. Griefing may have its place the same as demonstrations and such in RL; however, some people take it to extremes. That being said, I am a furry, I’ve been all over second life (or about as much as I could in the month or so that I’ve been on) and have not encountered very many griefers. The only griefer I have ever had dealings with wasn’t even griefing anyone – we were in a weapons aloud sandbox and he politely asked me if he could test a weapon which he designed primarily to cause a severe amount of lag. I don’t see it as a problem because I’ve almost never seen or heard of griefing on a large scale. Now I am not denying that it happens, but I am not here bunching a few sporadic instances of pissed off furrs and hate mongers with true griefers.
As for those insecure people and the hate mongers, to be honest with you, how many of them are still in school? They little more than high school bullies using middle school tactics. In other words, “F* ’em, who cares?” The religious haters are, by definition, hypocrites. As a Christian, yes I have been taught that homosexuality is wrong, but you must remember that “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” This means that, gay or straight, everyone is on a level playing field and the holy-roller “better than thou” preacher wannabe should take a good ling look at himself. I cain’t speek for all religions, but the Christian way of dealing with this sort of thing does not involve the hate speech and actions that are attributed to Christianity. It is one of love and tolerance, a lead by example philosophy, Jesus himself never condemned anyone. This you can plainly see in Matthew where he saved a prostitute from stoning, the accepted law of the day, after driving off the priests he looked up at her and asked “woman, where are your accusers? Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more.” Did he preach hellfire and brimstone? No, did he target her because she was a little loos with her sexual practices? No. anyone who professes to be a Christian should follow His example, not one of hate.

]]> By: Trevor Crow /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/comment-page-1/#comment-87401 Trevor Crow Fri, 02 May 2008 21:43:02 +0000 /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/#comment-87401 Griefing may have its place the same as demonstrations and such in RL; however, some people take it to extremes. That being said, I am a furry, I’ve been all over second life (or about as much as I could in the month or so that I’ve been on) and have not encountered very many griefers. The only griefer I have ever had dealings with wasn’t even griefing anyone – we were in a weapons aloud sandbox and he politely asked me if he could test a weapon which he designed primarily to cause a severe amount of lag. I don’t see it as a problem because I’ve almost never seen or heard of griefing on a large scale. Now I am not denying that it happens, but I am not here bunching a few sporadic instances of pissed off furrs and hate mongers with true griefers. As for those insecure people and the hate mongers, to be honest with you, how many of them are still in school? They little more than high school bullies using middle school tactics. In other words, “F* ’em, who cares?” The religious haters are, by definition, hypocrites. As a Christian, yes I have been taught that homosexuality is wrong, but you must remember that “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” This means that, gay or straight, everyone is on a level playing field and the holy-roller “better than thou” preacher wannabe should take a good ling look at himself. I cain’t speek for all religions, but the Christian way of dealing with this sort of thing does not involve the hate speech and actions that are attributed to Christianity. It is one of love and tolerance, a lead by example philosophy, Jesus himself never condemned anyone. This you can plainly see in Matthew where he saved a prostitute from stoning, the accepted law of the day, after driving off the priests he looked up at her and asked “woman, where are your accusers? Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more.” Did he preach hellfire and brimstone? No, did he target her because she was a little loos with her sexual practices? No. anyone who professes to be a Christian should follow His example, not one of hate. Griefing may have its place the same as demonstrations and such in RL; however, some people take it to extremes. That being said, I am a furry, I’ve been all over second life (or about as much as I could in the month or so that I’ve been on) and have not encountered very many griefers. The only griefer I have ever had dealings with wasn’t even griefing anyone – we were in a weapons aloud sandbox and he politely asked me if he could test a weapon which he designed primarily to cause a severe amount of lag. I don’t see it as a problem because I’ve almost never seen or heard of griefing on a large scale. Now I am not denying that it happens, but I am not here bunching a few sporadic instances of pissed off furrs and hate mongers with true griefers.
As for those insecure people and the hate mongers, to be honest with you, how many of them are still in school? They little more than high school bullies using middle school tactics. In other words, “F* ’em, who cares?” The religious haters are, by definition, hypocrites. As a Christian, yes I have been taught that homosexuality is wrong, but you must remember that “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” This means that, gay or straight, everyone is on a level playing field and the holy-roller “better than thou” preacher wannabe should take a good ling look at himself. I cain’t speek for all religions, but the Christian way of dealing with this sort of thing does not involve the hate speech and actions that are attributed to Christianity. It is one of love and tolerance, a lead by example philosophy, Jesus himself never condemned anyone. This you can plainly see in Matthew where he saved a prostitute from stoning, the accepted law of the day, after driving off the priests he looked up at her and asked “woman, where are your accusers? Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more.” Did he preach hellfire and brimstone? No, did he target her because she was a little loos with her sexual practices? No. anyone who professes to be a Christian should follow His example, not one of hate.

]]> By: Wolfie Rankin /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/comment-page-1/#comment-135329 Wolfie Rankin Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:46:49 +0000 /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/#comment-135329 Niall, it's not the best way to deal with probs.<br><br>SL gets my friends and I down at times, sometimes it's about people in-world rather than "the system".<br><br>I reckon people do listen if you have a valid point, but they can't just jump up and fix it right now... there's so many bugs to deal with.<br><br>Try a different strategy, you might find that someone will listen and do something about it... you'd be helping all of us that way, we'd be grateful you tried.<br><br>Writing about problems here might be a good start.<br><br>Wolfie! Niall, it’s not the best way to deal with probs.

SL gets my friends and I down at times, sometimes it’s about people in-world rather than “the system”.

I reckon people do listen if you have a valid point, but they can’t just jump up and fix it right now… there’s so many bugs to deal with.

Try a different strategy, you might find that someone will listen and do something about it… you’d be helping all of us that way, we’d be grateful you tried.

Writing about problems here might be a good start.

Wolfie!

]]> By: niall /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/comment-page-1/#comment-135328 niall Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:21:29 +0000 /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/#comment-135328 I admit I am a griefer and I run a griefer support site, but I'm against those who do it to target people of certain sexualities or ethnicities...<br><br>I do it as I have a problem with Linden Labs I admit I am a griefer and I run a griefer support site, but I’m against those who do it to target people of certain sexualities or ethnicities…

I do it as I have a problem with Linden Labs

]]> By: Ryu /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/comment-page-1/#comment-49740 Ryu Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:16:45 +0000 /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/#comment-49740 Hmm.. Wolfie has a point, and a valid one. Folks who target what they perceive as "gay" in some aspect or another on the internet and in virtual worlds tend to be the same folks who do so in real life. The difference is, many of these blokes (and shielas,.. tho I don;t know the actual percentage) would never dream of behaving that way in real life, but, with the "anonymity" provided by the internet, happily do so online. Now, truths (to make some truisms): There are many "role players" in life, from furry to scaly to vampire to werewolf (and more. Oh, and, despite the "spiritual" descriptions and "my soul is " felings tacked on, technically, they are roles). A percentage less than 100% of these are gay (from those I know with hetero relationships and otherwise the percentage is about 20%). There are those with fears or suppressed same sex attractions who are angered by this and will attack those they feel are "gay". There are those who have been conditioned by religeon or culture to hate all those with such "alernate sexuality". There are those with psychopathic tendencies who simply hate and wish to attack and chose "gay" as a culturally acceptable target. Folks with limited intellects tend to lump whole swaths of folks with similar leanings or characteristics together and see any furry/scaly/other as being like all other furry/scaly/other, so one gay furry, to these cretins, means all are gay. There is some spew that says that furry/scaly/other hate being human (gee, wonder what kind of behavior by their fellow humans would make them want to hate being human ?). This may be true for some. For others, it's a way of stepping away from the usual and breaking free of human nebishness. To ecome something more, and be free (other humans get drunk or take drugs to achieve this. Wonder which is worse). Hmm.. Wolfie has a point, and a valid one.

Folks who target what they perceive as “gay” in some aspect or another on the internet and in virtual worlds tend to be the same folks who do so in real life.

The difference is, many of these blokes (and shielas,.. tho I don;t know the actual percentage) would never dream of behaving that way in real life, but, with the “anonymity” provided by the internet, happily do so online.

Now, truths (to make some truisms):

There are many “role players” in life, from furry to scaly to vampire to werewolf (and more. Oh, and, despite the “spiritual” descriptions and “my soul is ” felings tacked on, technically, they are roles).

A percentage less than 100% of these are gay (from those I know with hetero relationships and otherwise the percentage is about 20%).

There are those with fears or suppressed same sex attractions who are angered by this and will attack those they feel are “gay”.

There are those who have been conditioned by religeon or culture to hate all those with such “alernate sexuality”.

There are those with psychopathic tendencies who simply hate and wish to attack and chose “gay” as a culturally acceptable target.

Folks with limited intellects tend to lump whole swaths of folks with similar leanings or characteristics together and see any furry/scaly/other as being like all other furry/scaly/other, so one gay furry, to these cretins, means all are gay.

There is some spew that says that furry/scaly/other hate being human (gee, wonder what kind of behavior by their fellow humans would make them want to hate being human ?). This may be true for some. For others, it’s a way of stepping away from the usual and breaking free of human nebishness. To ecome something more, and be free (other humans get drunk or take drugs to achieve this. Wonder which is worse).

]]> By: Ryu /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/comment-page-1/#comment-135327 Ryu Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:16:45 +0000 /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/#comment-135327 Hmm.. Wolfie has a point, and a valid one.<br><br>Folks who target what they perceive as "gay" in some aspect or another on the internet and in virtual worlds tend to be the same folks who do so in real life.<br><br>The difference is, many of these blokes (and shielas,.. tho I don;t know the actual percentage) would never dream of behaving that way in real life, but, with the "anonymity" provided by the internet, happily do so online.<br><br>Now, truths (to make some truisms):<br><br>There are many "role players" in life, from furry to scaly to vampire to werewolf (and more. Oh, and, despite the "spiritual" descriptions and "my soul is " felings tacked on, technically, they are roles).<br><br>A percentage less than 100% of these are gay (from those I know with hetero relationships and otherwise the percentage is about 20%).<br><br>There are those with fears or suppressed same sex attractions who are angered by this and will attack those they feel are "gay".<br><br>There are those who have been conditioned by religeon or culture to hate all those with such "alernate sexuality".<br><br>There are those with psychopathic tendencies who simply hate and wish to attack and chose "gay" as a culturally acceptable target.<br><br>Folks with limited intellects tend to lump whole swaths of folks with similar leanings or characteristics together and see any furry/scaly/other as being like all other furry/scaly/other, so one gay furry, to these cretins, means all are gay.<br><br>There is some spew that says that furry/scaly/other hate being human (gee, wonder what kind of behavior by their fellow humans would make them want to hate being human ?). This may be true for some. For others, it's a way of stepping away from the usual and breaking free of human nebishness. To ecome something more, and be free (other humans get drunk or take drugs to achieve this. Wonder which is worse). Hmm.. Wolfie has a point, and a valid one.

Folks who target what they perceive as “gay” in some aspect or another on the internet and in virtual worlds tend to be the same folks who do so in real life.

The difference is, many of these blokes (and shielas,.. tho I don;t know the actual percentage) would never dream of behaving that way in real life, but, with the “anonymity” provided by the internet, happily do so online.

Now, truths (to make some truisms):

There are many “role players” in life, from furry to scaly to vampire to werewolf (and more. Oh, and, despite the “spiritual” descriptions and “my soul is ” felings tacked on, technically, they are roles).

A percentage less than 100% of these are gay (from those I know with hetero relationships and otherwise the percentage is about 20%).

There are those with fears or suppressed same sex attractions who are angered by this and will attack those they feel are “gay”.

There are those who have been conditioned by religeon or culture to hate all those with such “alernate sexuality”.

There are those with psychopathic tendencies who simply hate and wish to attack and chose “gay” as a culturally acceptable target.

Folks with limited intellects tend to lump whole swaths of folks with similar leanings or characteristics together and see any furry/scaly/other as being like all other furry/scaly/other, so one gay furry, to these cretins, means all are gay.

There is some spew that says that furry/scaly/other hate being human (gee, wonder what kind of behavior by their fellow humans would make them want to hate being human ?). This may be true for some. For others, it’s a way of stepping away from the usual and breaking free of human nebishness. To ecome something more, and be free (other humans get drunk or take drugs to achieve this. Wonder which is worse).

]]> By: Usagi Dagger /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/comment-page-1/#comment-49696 Usagi Dagger Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:38:27 +0000 /2008/01/28/furries-sexuality-and-griefing-one-viewpoint/#comment-49696 Well from my standpoint most of the Griefers target sims that are clearly labled Furry. rarely have I seen human dominated sims get griefed badly. so the shoving it in your face debate is less stable when you think of it this way. Well from my standpoint most of the Griefers target sims that are clearly labled Furry. rarely have I seen human dominated sims get griefed badly.
so the shoving it in your face debate is less stable when you think of it this way.

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